i mean, it's interesting, what she says often apeoppeals to me. personalitywise, to just not even be close to presidential level so i don't think it's going to have much affect one way or the other on national politics. >> larry, i smell money. i smell lots of money changing hands. i think maybe the magazine, they granted the interview, might have paid the two of them some money. i think that there will be books. i think a clothing line. probably the baby will have some sort of diaper line. i smell a lot of money. >> i think, nancy, the stuff he said in the first place was true, don't you? come on. >> i've always thought that. i almost wonder whether the palins paid him to now be part of the happy family and maybe -- even though ben doesn't think so, i think she may actually try a run, believe it or not, for president of the united states. >> oh, she'll try, she'll try. >> i think this makes her a nicer-looking candidate, wouldn't you think? >> i think it makes her a nicer-looking candidate. >> all the family values are intact now. >> very far-fetched idea she would be --