make it difficult to take the wikileaks website down or to improve the ability to send documents anonymously to wikileaks, then i think they've got something worthwhile and worth something that people can do. >> indeed last night 1,040 sites as of last night had put up mirrors of wikileaks all across the internet. that's how the internet going to work. wikileaks is kind of a side show to something bigger that's happening in this country and society, which is we have a movement toward transparency because it's easier, more possible to do that. in general, that's a good thing. let's not forget that wikileaks was attacked by doss attacks. it was a victim in that sense. it's had governments take it down and companies, and again, we're just talking about speech. >> appreciate your time. this is a brave new world. i'll bring you both back because we're going to be having this