problems we had evacuating the building in '93. and september 11, we were able to do it so much faster. and get thousands of people out. >> a lot of lives were saved because of that hard work. >> micky, is this closure? is there ever closure to this sort of event? >> well, this is closure in part. it's one chapter is now behind us. but this is probably going to go on till the end of my life. >> how about you, closure? >> how about you? no, you're shaking your head. >> no, it doesn't close. it's like you said, you hope that you look back on this, the work that goes on. new life. but i don't think that anybody that was here could ever find closure. it's with us till the day we die. that will be -- that will be my closure, really. i mean, i -- there's time i can't let it go. believe me, i wishic. there's just -- the littlest thing. maybe even a nice day in september.