wants it to go away either to protect himself or other people in the white house, but to commit a crime in a situation like this you have to have an unlawful agreement to do something that the law prohibits and you have to know about it. president trump has to be a part of that unlawful position so if he didn't know he's not guilty. >> were you surprised at the president's reaction today? >> no. is anybody surprised anymore? i think that -- i mean, look, we saw the president go up to rhode island yesterday to give the commencement address to cadets who are going to put their lives on the line. he goes up there and makes its all about himself. okay? today he comes out, knows the questions that are going to be asked and he can't get out fast enough to say no, no. no. he comes out very quick. his communication strategy is absolutely flawed. >> and then saying no collusion when it comes to me, imagine all those staffer who is may have