general mattis into defense, for example. so i think that -- >> does it concern you that he often contradicts these folks when it comes to policy, north korea -- he'll say one thing he'll say another? >> well, that's called being in a free country -- >> no, but my point is. you're making the point about stability. that doesn't appear to be stable if he -- the people he supposedly trusts and knows more opinion these issues than he does, that he often contradicts them on policy. >> i think the opposite. i think mattis son set up a system for us with constructional which promotes disagreement. that's what we're about, the checks and balances are about you see being candid with one another. if someone says or does something that is truly out of line or crazy that's different.