far -- >> who is to believe -- if you're an ally in any sense blowing up right now you spoke to many of them who do you believe? >> they were worried six months ago. now they increasingly, i saw so many when they were here for the united nation's general assembly meeting months ago, we don't pay attention to the tweets, the media does, but that's not where policy is going. if mattis were suddenly gone, i mean, if suddenly we actually saw policy, so you think about syria, you thing about afghanistan, there was a lot of talk of america first, we're not going to do this stuff, turns out we're expanding and looks like hillary clinton's policy would have been. nato, obsolete, sticking with nato. north korea, going to bomb them. actually no, we're leading the u.s. multilateral process. >> u.n. >> with the u.n. >> so i think tony is completely right. that there is an enormous difference between what trump is saying with what the americans are doing, everyone else in this