likely is something that is kind of on the periphery. that's the way the things unfold. start in the outer circles and you move inward. that's the process here. >> we don't know who could be charged in this case. ellis, the question here, we know several names that have been out there, people who are certainly under scrutiny of this investigation. so is this the sort of situation where you will see people on the lower end of the spectrum, who, you know, are caught in the net, and asked to, you know, bring the light to people who are higher up? >> let the flipping begin, right? that would certainly be a common practice in these kinds of investigations. you want to start with the people on the outside, who can tell you about those above them. again, this really is in the speculation territory. let's see who it is. let's see what it is they know. let's see how close they are to the president. the one thing we do know for