without laughing. i would never call him short and fat, as though he just did essentially. but then go on to say i try to hard to be his friend and maybe someday that will happen. what is the possibility do you think anything like that would ever happen? >> oh, i think there -- >> there would be a friendship, that there is some sort of connection between north korea and the united states. >> as we have seen in the case of russia, the president's friendships can actually be somewhat problematic for u.s. policy. even if that were to happen, it wouldn't unambiguously necessarily be a good thing for the country. the reality he is treating the north korean leader as if he was one more republican candidate, as if we were back in 2015 or 2016 that is going to insult him. it doesn't work that way in this case. that is the kind of disconnect i think between the president's rhetoric and the reality on the ground. >> errol and julian, stick around with us. we want to talk about in the