how people are around donald trump and afraid of incurring his wrath or accused of not being competent or any number of things he says to his nearest and dearest. if you go and tell him that actually this thing did not result in anything, this didn't happen, you are going to get dismissed. so it's possible that he was not briefed after. the question was whether he was briefed before. to me that is the big question mark, and i don't know the answer. i think that generally speaking, in that campaign, people did not do things without donald trump knowing. not everything, but most times. >> but there is another very important fact that plays into what people knew when, which is donald trump's announcement that he's going give a big speech about hillary clinton's misdeeds involving russia, among other countries. he gives that announcement of the speech when in the lead-up to this meeting. >> right. >> the meeting turns out to be a bust, and donald trump never gives this promised speech.