we have determined the fact that he tampered with the fact in the sense that he abruptly mid-conversation turned it off. now, we know he didn't do that for a good reason. >> reporter: the president and his legal team strategy here is clear. they want to question the credibility not only of michael cohen, who just a few months ago they referred to as an honorable man, but also the veracity of the recordings that he made. boris sanchez, cnn, traveling with the president just outside bedminster, new jersey. >> let's bring in freddie gray. he's the deputy editor at "the spectator," a weekly british magazine, to talk more about what's going on here on this side of the pond. freddie, thank you for talking with us. we just heard that story from our reporter about what the white house is trying to do to debunk the mueller investigation, something they've done over and over again. the question is is it working? >> well, i think that every time trump goes on one of these