commissioned officer who just got appointed by the president. >> these are all second and third tier people. how many people are in first tier positions? >> there is no one that is at the assistant to the president level. however, the two persons that i named before are commissioned officers which are as you know very well are in the senior level positions, as well as the fact that executive director is jonathan hollyfield. and you have other people, the deputy director of the white house fellows program is african american. you have the second lady in the united states, her communications director is cara brooks who is african american. and across the administration in senior level positions in the agencies, you have many african americans serving in senior level position. so that's the facts. >> amanda, the notion that the president feigned ignorance and displeasure when we talked to manigault newman, i don't know how that was recorded, this was something that was released by her. do you find that telling? it runs consistent with what