important to point out, by and large illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than -- >> yes. >> -- american citizens commit crimes. the data bears that out. >> right. but that stat doesn't matter to someone who is a victim of a heinous crime at the hands of an ms-13 gang member. when you live in a country like the united states of america been you expect your communities to be safe and you also expect you're going to have a secure border. that is exactly why this is such an important issue to voters. when you try to say if you're in favor of a secure border that's somehow racist rhetoric, that's when people go to the polls and roll their eyes at the absurdity of that. look where i am. i'm in dallas, texas. >> uh-huh. >> go look at the statistics here of how many illegal immigrants commit crimes, heinous crimes in texas. go look at how many children have been killed. how many women have been killed. how many people have been raped by ms-13 gang members. this isn't a talking point. this is a reality for many