to people in that position because there is an empathetic quality to most politicians. that doesn't compute for this political animal. the fact that he has doubled down on language of invaders, which was exactly the language the shooter used, that's beyond tone deaf. that seems callous and shows a degree of intent. you have this contradictory strategy. he's trying to use -- talk about being a uniter, but also campaign on being a divider. those two things are fundamentally contradictory and they only make sense if you think swing voters are stupid. >> i want to raise a point in response to you, john. look, i think the president should be held accountable for failing to lead us more adequately in these times by projecting empathy, which his aides say is so difficult for him to do, which seems obvious for all of those who have watched him, for failing to cool passions during this time, which is what i think a leader's role is to do, to help us rise above