i am not willing to dismiss the pain of those people because i'm not going to be affected. i think some people may. that's not me. >> let's look, the reality of furlough, steve, you know, it creates cash flow issues for people who don't have huge savings. they wind up getting paid at some point. >> right. >> time, value and money matters when you're living paycheck to paycheck and a lot of working people are. >> sure. >> the reason i said one at a time to you, put up the president's tweet when he talked about winning on this issue. so many money has been poured down the drain. when it comes to border security and military, people fight to the death. we want a military completely rebuilt. not really true. one way or the other, we're going to win on the wall. look, winning, not winning, that's politics. you're not going to stop that game. but i'm telling you, you are never going to have a brand-new wall built. any who works down on the border who is in a command position knows that. and by the way, the last thing they want is a wall they can't see through, because for surveillance issues, that's why they designed what they have down there. >> clearly you have --