they get often the road and drive out into the desert and come out, make a left turn. usually it's a left, not a right. >> can that be true? let's bring in our guest, a former secret service agent for president obama and cnn law enforcement analyst. good to see you. is it that simple? >> well, listen, i got to give the president partial credit. he's talking about there's a large portion of the southern board they're is wide open that doesn't have the protective barriers they is looking for. those protective -- that part of the border is actually protected by natural barriers. so the fact that he's saying, you know, terrorists or whomever can just get in a van, drive along the border, the first opening they can take, they take a left and they're in the country. i just think it feeds into a false, you know, narrative of the totality of what's going on on the southern border. i don't think it's actually helpful to the wroeoverall deba >> like waterways, rivers?