>> don't be like that. >> i can't wait for it. hey, listen, people think they understand this whole shutdown thing, like how we got here. they really don't. the more i start quizzing people and i ask them what they know, they don't really know about it. what we're going to do is we're going to break it down for you. tom foreman is going to do it. he's going to the virtual room to break it down for people in a simplistic way about exactly where we are, how we got here, and what can get us out of it. >> beautiful. good for you, d. lemon. i'll see you in a second. >> see you both sides, cuomo. >> he's cheap. all right. so something has happened here. we got another indication of where the president's head is, another echo of it once again from his own family. his daughter-in-law is taking heat for her comments on the shutdown, deservedly so. you know me, i don't like to involve family in politics. but we're seeing something that is an echo of a reality. the argument is next. ♪ ♪ this simple banana peel represents a bold idea: