trying to draw the line here saying, no, we actually do retaliate when people cross the line the way steve king has done. >> and just last month, the revelation of him having that photo from 2005 in blackface as a hurricane katrina victim, that cost him his job. so they're saying if that's costing him his job, why is governor northam still in office? >> he offered an apology but there was no conversation. >> you mentioned the fact that certainly since this -- well, in recent times the democrats have been seen as more sympathetic to african-americans, but as you well know, it wasn't that long ago that it was the republicans who set up for civil rights in the solid south. they were all -- for the most part the democrats there, many of them were against the civil rights bill. >> absolutely. >> thanks so much for joining us and giving yourself reporting. quickly before the break, the democrats not only have to choose a nominee for 2020, they also have to pick a convention