both sides. that was the language then. this time it's not a direct condemnation of white nationalism. what's your reaction? >> a couple things. the president seems to jump real quick on everybody else's head but he's real slow when it comes to the issue of white nationalism. he's going to have to explain that to the public. this is not new in america. it's not new in the world. hate doesn't know any boundaries unfortunately. it travels like a virus and travels quickly. and then white supremacy and white nationalism is raring its head, whether it's outside of this country, whether it's in this country. and let's be clear. insynagogue, it's happied many times. people have been kills as a result of people who have been killed because of their race, creed or color. there's a lot of room for us to argue about what's conservative, was moderate. everybody comes to the table. democracy is equals. >> i wonder if you're hopeful. you write about the memory of being 8 years old, and you were the victim of death threats from