messenger. he's just not. he's evasive, not just on this, but on a number of issues. when he's talking about middle east peace process, very evas e evasive. you know, he's just -- he is not the front and center guy, the granting of this interview is interesting, the decision to have done this, given that he had nothing to say and only created negative headlines. >> this interview really was a testament to the idea why we have an anti-nepotism law in the federal government. i don't know anybody that could watch that interview last night and thought that jared kushner has the intellect and capacity and dpragrasp of the issue to effectiively serve in the position he's serving. >> and his answers on the fbi and russia, the birtherism gets attention, because obviously, it's just so hard to watch. but on the fbi and russia, the fact that he can't unequivocally say, that was a bad idea,