they've been, let's face it, exploited, who lives in the shadows, they can't organize, they can't collective bargain. you heard the report from dianne that some of these kids working there were 14 years old. i mean, the owners get off scot-free quite often, it seems. >> right. the question is whether or not this case that the administration seems to be hinting at that it's bringing is actually takes any action against they companies or not and whether or not the south impact is on these children and on these families. >> they shouldn't get off scot-free. the problem is many of these companies is a magnet for the illegal immigration 2349 first place, but i think also that people are not crazy to think that the outrage is selective here, despite kirsten's le jet consistency on this issue. it's not like there were sad children in the wake of obama's