have become untenable and democrats better show up for work in the legislature in wisconsin and teachers better get back into the classroom and do their job and we need to work it through so we can cut deficits in these states? >> yes. i think that that would be a great thing for him to say. i don't think that is something he'll say and it would be too harsh on the unions and i don't see... martha: their numbers have been declining. they are losing membership. >> i'm not -- look, it is also smart for the unions to be aware of that. and i think i have seen the liberal writers talking about the fact the unions are overstepping the bounds and people don't like this kind of behavior, and if they really care about sustaining their existence, they have to be aware of that. but the point is, i think we have to get back to, they've already said they are willing to give on those issues. they aren't willing to give on the collective bargaining issue and i think the idea that you can take that away from them is -- you are saying you cannot have unions. that is what you are doing. and people don't like --