are astronomical. put up a chart so everyone can seat dollar numbers under president obama from 2008 onward. it's just a straight graph up. and the numbers are staggering. when you have, leslie, a third the population, a little bit over 300 million people in this country, a third the population receiving some kind of government assistance, do you think that's a god thing? do you think that makes a -- good thing? do you think that makes a strong country? >> absolutely not. i agree with christian. this is not the fault of the president. this is not something that's happened overnight or past three or four years. >> bill: you say america has been a welfare state for some time. you are both putting that out there? because in the year 2000, i will use that graph line, 2000 to make my comparisons. it was much less of a percentage of americans on the dole. and i say on the dole. look, some people need the assistance. they get sick. they got stuff happen to them. they got children.