social political legal economic rights for women dival equal to that as men. it has been sort of -- everyone has taken it to mean equal rights, equal men. no extra credit or anything just equal. >> when you are looking for that equality absolutely in that sense of the word. but to say that women need preferential treatment, that is something i have never wanted to see and i don't think you see carly fiorina out there campaigning saying we need -- let's do something other than be equal and be fair. i know many times what i want is a level playing field. and i think most women want that. give them an equal footing, a level playing field. give them the same opportunity and don't short change them. when it comes to it opportunity and, by the way, you know, guys don't con descend. you know, get over that. >> all right. do you think that secretary clinton would say that carly fiorina is sort of a double