unfortunately, the ideology is primary. it always has been. it was mostly a propaganda tool. if they were to be able to defeat and knock over the government. >> kennedy: if you like the u.s. military is adept at fighting a traditional military which isis has sort of formed itself into becoming. but then it sort of turns into the ether and they going to different countries and our country and their people here, there are united states citizens who were born here who self radicalize. you think it's too soon for the trump administration to be taking credit for this defeat you back defeating and taking away 98% of the territory that isis held is pretty stunning. >> jessica: it is absolutely. i would recommend everyone to read a column in "the new york times" about this unknown perils of liberals denying the success that has gone over in iraq and syria vis-a-vis isis. i think the president surely can say something about this and that he should.
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