those around him including his staff, including his fans, including his supporters who will come out to rally, every single american has made extraordinary sacrifices during the course of this pandemic whether it is staying home from work to take care of loved ones, whether it is staying home to protect themselves, whether it is losing their jobs, losing loved ones, so i think that the president is absolutely not above those kinds of person-to-person considerations right now. >> harris: you said fans and supporters, i think that every candidate in the world which wishes that they were both and is going for them. i want to touch on something that dagen said, because where people are going into the fall season and seeing spikes in 24 states now significant ones in wisconsin and a few other areas it's really important. if we completely shut down and nobody is suggesting that, although earlier on joe biden had said it, he has since said that he would not and would, so we don't know exactly where he