vote is a tax increase that includes a rate, each and every one of those republican members stands to have a severe problem with either donors, their voters, constituents and so forth. if they get a deal, there's much less credit that is shared by those who participate in it. so there is actual real personal pain for republicans if there is a tax increase. and you can make the same case for democrats if there's a real change to the entitlement age or some of those sort of cuts that make democrats very nervous. so i think for lawmakers, probably what makes it tough is that if it goes well, very few get the credit. if it is judged by their voters to be not such a great deal, there's a very personal price to pay. >> kelly, we talked -- this is michael steele -- we talked in our last hour about the timing of this. and mike allen and others were thinking an early -- or, you know, sort of late december, the 23rd, right before christmas time line for this. now the sentiment is this thing