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of it or the saying there's no there there will never penetrate as far as the initial scandal belief. that would be durable even going into the next election. so in that sense they may have scored one here. but i think in terms of our actual concern as american citizens about whether or not the irs is actually doing something that's politically motivated, which we should all care about, even on the left, i do believe there is very little evidence that that seems to be going on. >> i think -- the question is obscured by did obama direct this. nobody thinks actually db maybe darrel issa does, but nobody thinks obama's sitting around like nixon and gone mitchell drinking scotch at 3:00 in the morning, say going get those guys, i hate them! that isn't happening. i myself think i would like a real calm investigation of this. not all this obfuscation. those same people who said no, obama did not direct us to do this did say in other parts of their testimony they were told to report to washington with some of this information. i just think if i were a

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