destroy the affordable care act, which was clearly the law of the land. once we reopen the government, and move toward a situation where we confront the debt ceiling, and hopefully lift the debt ceiling to avoid a default, then i think we'll be back in a situation where we can discuss the future of the american economy and how to best move forward. >> so the position is, you seem to be articulating there, is raise the debt ceiling, reopen the government, and talk about anything, but there should be no conditions on those first two? >> also important to note that democrats have already agreed to compromise in a meaningful way as it relates to keeping the government open at a certain funding level. >> you accept the sequester level of spending, much lower level of spending. is there a sense, do you have a sense, a sense among democrats in washington there is a bigger principle at stake here in terms of maybe president obama in 2011 when we walked right up to the debt ceiling deadline made a mistake in having negotiations with republicans and in setting