birds. i think people are impressed with it. >> he's the one -- for kentucky to get rid of him would be a huge mistake. the other thing about the tea party challenges, if you mount a real challenge, orrin hatch did. >> john mccain. >> if you fight it out, you'll win. if you like robert bennett, the rules are against you -- >> i think it helps to have a personality. >> it does. >> anyway -- >> i will say this. mitch mcconnell did his job this week. it was a good thing for the country. >> mcconnell expressed confidence to the extreme republicans and learned the lesson in the showdown shutdown. there's no politics in the second kick of a mule. there will not be a government shutdown. we'll fully acquainted our new members what a losing strategy that is. john, i think that's true. but there's more likelihood that come january there could be a shutdown of some length. but i do think your party and the country got a wakeup call about screwing around with the debt ceiling. i think people who watch the