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but if you don't move to the white neighborhood and normalize it, then we're going to be left with this sort of antagonistic situation. >> that's interesting, because there is a moment after the zimmerman verdict where i did feel like, okay, so where do you go? if in black communities you have often higher crime rates for a wide variety of reasons, but if in white neighborhoods you feel like there's a potential zimmerman. and i want to come to you, adam, on exactly this question, because you have been reporting on a moment that is not just about choice, right, but that, in fact, our fair housing laws, under the context of the case you've been reporting on are potentially threatened here. and the very brake light to create a stable, integrated neighborhood is not just about choice, but about all these different striuctural factors. >> you look at the history of fair housing in the united states, and it's basically this gigantic, decade-long wrestling match between like idealists who are trying to use the law to bring people together, to compel integration, and people who are

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