>> and sometimes those treatment centers have aa within those treatment centers. within those in-patient units. >> often they do, right? >> by the way, that's illegal. to be sentenced to aa is against the law. it's a violation of the first amendment. and in the ninth circuit court of appeals. two giant cases -- >> i'm sure you know, too, that the psychiatrists who came out with a book against aa -- >> quoted in the piece. retired from harvard. >> he said alcoholism is not a disease, and if you do nothing it will get maybe better on its own comparatively. >> empirical data will say that. >> there is also research that has been highly supportive of how well aa works for people in terms of, you know, resolving their issues, and staying abstinent for up to two years. that there's a 20% difference if you look at controlled random studies. so it really depends on the quality of the study, how you're interpreting the study.
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