land, they accept the basic framework and they move on from there, they stop saying they want to repeal it? >> you know, i disagree with the notion. i don't think obamacare will be the central issue of the 2016 campaign. i think joan is largely right in the sense that we had that discussion in 2012. i don't think that you will see people move on from the notion of getting rid of at least large swathes of the law and trying to replace it with something else because i do think fundamentally it's become a litmus test issue for a lot of candidates on the right. so while i don't think it will be the principal issue, i think it will be an issue. i think this election will focus on the economy and foreign policy. i think that's principally what this will be about. >> what people on the right find most offensive about the law is the idea of the mandate, but the than date is the glue that keeps the thing together. >> right. and that's the problem with republicans coming up with an alternative plan. they really have never been able to put it together. they don't like several of the legs. they don't like the subsidies either.