do you think it worked for him with this crowd? or was he using this opportunity in civil discourse, as you say, to try to speak to persuadables beyond liberty university? >> bernie sanders knowings he doesn't run simultaneously on two cable networks the way donald trump does. so this is a genuinely interesting thing to do that clearly got news coverage. i thought he did do some interesting riffs here. the one that grabbed me the most was when he talked about family values, noted that he has seven grandkids, that he believes in family values. but then he said basically, if you believe in family values, shouldn't you be for family leave, which every major rich country in the world has except us? and that's a kind of argument that i think more people need to make to religious audiences. because i think, you know, as a gut issue, i think most people think that new parents ought to spend time with their kids.