reality of donald trump for a long time. corker participated in normalizing that, in attacking people like me and others who wouldn't fall in line. i'm glad he is doing what he is doing now. he is doing the right thing. he is speaking truth. i support and embrace that. but the reality is we need leaders that have more courage and are willing to do the right thing for the country even when it's hard. >> to that point, james, what do you make of this bizarre sort of caretaker guardship that has grown up that is now sort of widely understand that there are people there whose job is to protect the country from the president? >> minute by minute or day by day, obviously you would prefer to have somebody with the judgment of former general mattis, retired general mattis or current general mcmaster who have experience there to exercise a sort of disciplining hand. but that is not a good way for democracies to run the long run. >> no. >> one other point, if i could, i think it's interesting there is a triple game of political calculation going on here. one is the immediate thing that representative meadows said. oh, you can't say this.