was he speaking to an isis handler? more and more in the cases we're seeing includie ining case in b which is similar to this one where a truck was used to ram into people, what we're seeing is cyber coaching by the islamic state. they are speaking to somebody who is in libya, who is in iraq, who is in syria, who's possibly elsewhere and who gives them ideas and helps them translate their ideology into an act of violence. >> and malcolm, this is what we're going to have to -- we've talked about this many times, again, the three of us get stuck quhe whenever there's one of these things trying to make sense of things that are hard to make sense of. these are where these things are going. people radicalized because they're fighting overseas or radicalizing themselves or getting cyber coaching, it takes a different approach to try to combat this. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. what you're looking at is the future of isis and al qaeda. al qaeda maintains itself as a covert organization operating in a terrorist underground. isis, on the other hand, was this large expeditionary army