the president is not going change his testimony. so stop the nonsense. you are trying to trap him into perjury because you don't have a case. >> the president has lied, he's going to continue lying. >> we're not putting him under oath. then he lies under oath. >> the president really wants to testify and his lawyers are holding him back. i think that's all nonsense, it's all a political narrative. they have convinced a fair number of reporters because i think the president probably tells his staff so they can tell the reporters, i'd love to get in a room with mueller. i think i could convince him. >> one thing he said is true is that mueller knows all the answers. if the president doesn't testify and somehow that's protecting him from something is utter nonsense. certainly the idea that they can negotiate. okay, as long as you don't talk about obstruction or collusion, that somehow mueller will go on with this, mueller has not agreed to anything on the record. this is only giuliani's sort of spitballing publicly that we have to go on. >> but howard, this is the trump