disaffected and open to being persuaded by someone like this. what happened in 2016 and 2017 and a good part of '18 is that number was up near 48% or so. is that 12%, 13%, 14% of folks who believe in institutions and don't particularly believe in elites, who didn't want to see secretary clinton be president, and who were willing to say basically to washington, i think, if you're going to act like pro wrestlers, we're going to snd you one. are those people going to come back to a more centrist view, not idealogically, but in terms of institutional frame. as you know, presidential politics are not refereneda. they're choices. so everything, not everything, but almost everything depends on who the democrats put up as a choice. >> i'm so with you. there's a difference between free will and free choice. i once heard at a georgetown lecture. we don't get to think what the