i heard even from republicans, that you had the republican party just completely disinterested in digging for truth. it was just a cover-up operation. >> well, yeah, joe. i would expand on that in a certain way. i'll say this -- there's no question that just the extraordinary kind of human drama involved here, this discussion about donald trump and his legal and political woes has been going on for the last two-plus years. often it takes place at a level of abstraction, we've been given a lesson in constitutional law and questions about criminal and civil procedure, the country's learned a lot over the last two years, but there is an airless quality to some of this discussion. yesterday was not like that. i think that's part of the reason why the political impact is potentially significant because it felt of this a blood, sweat and tears kind of thing.