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grief as you say but also by a paranoia, by a fear? >> i think so. >> why? >> we don't care to learn about other country. there is an idea about american exceptionalism. i forget the statistic but a startling number of americans who said they had no desire to ever visit another country. >> right. >> you know, some people can't go because they can't afford it and a lot of people are like nope, got everything here. >> 75% of americans have no passport. >> right. >> i find that astonishing. >> right, and they don't seem to want one. why would you want to go overseas when branson is here in missouri? that's part of the problem is, you know, it's hard to be empathetic with people if they don't have knowledge. >> and the paralyzing bureaucracy, whether you're buying a car or a house or whatever it may be or coming out with a tv show, you have to sign a shaft of paperwork this long,