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was she? >> i'm surprised you're even asking that in the sense that she was harmed. colorado has been the most aggressive state -- >> she hadn't started the business. >> she had started the business, and she wanted to go in to design custom wedding websites. >> she wasn't penalize bid the state for this. she hadn't experienced harm yet. >> her speech was chilled. she couldn't enter into the business because colorado consistently, not just against her, but like-minded individuals, because they would punish, excessively punish, those who would express this view and decline to express a view that supports same-sex marriage. colorado is notorious. surely you've heard of masterpiece cake shop. >> i worked in colorado when it was happening and spoke to the key players. you were part of the case, as well. >> i was. >> is there a campaign on behalf of folks within your organization to target the rights of lgbtq people? >> there's a campaign on behalf of alliance defending freedom to protect free speech for everyone. the court's decision today said that public accommodation laws