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it's not like they are going to roll over on it either if somebody does go to the convention and say, they can't do this. they will be prepared in his uncharted and fascinating and also scared for a party that hasn't won the national popular vote since 2004. >> as we watch this play out, the former president of the united states walking to the courthouse and i wanna as the two lawyers on this question of election interference. when jack smith brought his election interference case, it was a narrow set of charges against donald trump and the people around him talk about done on purpose. done on purpose to keep it clean and keep it simple and pushing aside things that maybe you think you could prosecute but you want a clear case. they've decided to use racketeering laws of 18 or 19 defendants here. is that a harder case in your view to prove to a jury or does the big group somehow make it easier because you are doing conspiracy, not all specifics. >> i think the thing with the 19 different defendants and i think her indictment goes from november of 2020 to september of 2022 and that is a sweeping large amount of time. she has 161 acts. 41 counts. 98 page indictments.