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washington post piece went into great detail about what obama did in 2012 and the bottom line was -- they were agile that's what he respects but if you think about the larger persona of the two men obama versus biden. you don't think about agility with the voters don't i'm not trying to be funny here but voters they're worried about it. but obama can only do so much. he cannot make the president younger. >> no. that's going to be -- that's a big issue. the problem obama has is the same problem every biden surrogate has -- selling america on another four years of this administration is like selling crews get aways to people who watched titanic you know what i mean is everyone is bobbing in the ocean maybe i don't want to do that again and hear donald trump's name 44 times in a speech it means you yourself have no deliverable from your administration. because anything that democrats have achieved resides in a neighborhood nobody cares about great you spent more money on climate change than any time in