$7.5 trillion and this is something -- >> wait a minute, by cutting a penny out of every dollar? >> absolutely. absolutely. so here's the beauty of this thing. everybody at home that is watching right now, they've had to take much more than 1 penny out of every dollar in their family budgets. and the federal government should be able to do the same thing. it's not a lot to ask. >> what does it do? and it doesn't -- in this particular idea, it doesn't specify you got to do it this way, this way, or this way. it says cut off a penny, right? >> right. it's connie's plan to tell you the truth. he hasn't convinced me to sign on yet. that's part of the reason he has me here. >> this could be trouble in the breakfast nook if his own wife hasn't signed on today. >> it's a plan but it's a good plan and he's out there talking about it and this is a good start. >> it is a start and we heard nancy pelosi yesterday on the cbs talk show talking about how the reason that democrats haven't come up with a plan yet is because the republicans are running the house.