candidate. hillary clinton is a low trust candidate. bill clinton is a lower trust candidate. if trust is the issue and look at syria or libya, you say, bill clinton is not an asset if trust is an issue. >> david axelrod said, he compared bill clinton to nuclear energy. a little bit is really good, but it could be radioactive and explosive in a hurry. >> he's a total winner on the message. he's a great politician. great messenger. the substance is the interesting thing for me. bill clinton was a moderate democrat. sister soldier moments. that democratic party doesn't exist anymore. so how does hillary clinton move off the clinton economic policies of the 1990s. >> the left wants her to go left and, you're right, the middle somewhere else. another issue, the roush rule, jonathan roush, long time colleague of mine at national journal, now at brookings, he came up and said, candidates for president, they all get elected if they have been in the arena for 14 years or less. and 14 years is sort of your sell by date. that's your expiration date.