senior advisers. so i think it is important to see that this sort of enlarges the scope of liability significantly. >> there is still no way, rick stengel, to connect this meeting with what ended up being an e-mail dumped through wikileaks, which could be traced back according to u.s. intelligence to the russian government. we don't know what motivated the russian government to weaponize that -- those hacked e-mails. >> that's the kind of thing that the committees are investigating, that bob mueller is investigating, and i do want to throw up one kennard, one thing that donald trump jr. has said is that we got no information from that meeting as though that was a legal defense, according to federal law, to solicit or ask for any substantial information or contribution, whether it is given or not is in itself a violation of the law. so the fact that this woman had nothing to say is not exculpatory in any way. >> matt miller, you look at the political landscape in washington, we had a number of