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we've seen out in the country over the last few months especially, is that right wing is really getting good at mobilizing people and at a county level, a city level, a town level, a school board level, and they're closing all kinds of governmental chaos as they do this. so for people who care about good governance, it's time to wake up. it's time to say it's not good enough to just vote in a presidential election. i've also got a pay attention to what's happening in my city council. i've gotta pay attention to whose -- judges. who's writing for the school board. that's with the sequim people show. if you pay attention you see the pendulum swinging back away from the extreme to the middle. >> one thing almost found striking is the ideological coalition -- to talk about the kind of broad coalition in american life that is essentially pro democracy. it has a huge wide ideological spectrum from liz cheney to chomsky. in this case you had people that were republicans and conservatives who have different views on a number of things who would kind of come