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this is a pattern of pushing the limit around finally and dangerous rhetoric, until he's held accountable. that's not only in the criminal realm, it's also in the -- when you think about the fact this man is about to go to trial again with ethan carroll in new york, because the things that he violated after that. if you think about the fact that he also had an issue with respect to the judge here in new york with respect to the case, and that case, also talking about that judge firing rhetoric. this really towed the line. of course, january 6th, this rhetoric ultimately sparking what was a capitol insurrection. until someone hold him responsible, and they can, it's ultimately going to be a question of does someone act at his behest, someone acts influenced by his actions. does that inspired someone to do something that was harmful. the rhetoric itself is on the line. what takes it over the line of legality, jonathan, is what happens afterwards.

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