administration is more transparent about this effort than we were in the bush administration. i mean, they made this meta data collection activity available to all the members of congress, not just the members of the intelligence committee. >> all the members of congress, not just the members of the intelligence committee but now that these leaks have happened and this debate happened in the public, does the president have to communicate more with the people. does it have to do more or is it too risky? >> i think the president does need to communicate more. this is controversial. people are divided. when he has people like paul who are against it, he needs to bring them over. what is most important is this country have a bipartisan template how to fight terror. i want to see it as broad and deep as possible. it is his job to make the case for his policies, even if his political base doesn't like it. it's called leadership and required in this age of fighting terror. the president can do it, it just