as most good criminals are, that's why they're able to reoffend. that's part of it. i think part of it when you interview and you speak to wives of pedophiles part of it is my goodness, if i married this man, what is wrong with me? there is that, i think self blame. a failed mother. a failed wife. i think it is more about that quite frankly. than manipulation. >> hard to believe you can live with somebody for 35 years and not have some sort of suspicion -- that something is going on? >> you know, i think in a case like this. and in many of the cases that i tried. i don't believe that they didn't have some where in the depths of their soul some sort of worry. and some sort of feeling. >> showering with boys. she is saying, well he was working out with the boys. i mean, that's still doesn't make any sense. >> it is odd. if you heard her what she said during the interview with jason. what was remarkable. i can't believe it. she can't bring herself to believe it. i had people sitting in my offices, mothers turning against