president, but that's what we've been talking about. here you have a situation where if the facts are true and they're unfolding in a rapid rate over the last couple of days and will continue to do so, at bottom you have sitting can president once again acting like a recidivist, seeking assistant from a foreign power to arm a political rival, the person who might be his opponent in the general election next year. that's crazy given what he's already put the country through. and -- >> is it illegal? >> i knew you were going to ask that and i've been thinking over the last couple of days about how to talk about this and it's natural for someone who is a form are prosecutor, my expertise is in proving cases beyond a reasonable doubt and what elements you need to make a crime. i want -- don't want to create an atmosphere where the only thing that matters is if you commit a crime. as we understand and everyone understands now, you can indict